Article: 16543 of alt.business.multi-level
From: samadhi@cuttlefish.rutgers.edu (Dina Lazos)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: SCAMWAY OR AMWAY?
Date: 4 Oct 1994 19:23:30 -0400

XENITH
THE TERRORIST OF TRUTH
AMWAY OR SCAMWAY

You decide....


I am not a winner, nor a loser, just your average intelligent college student who joined AMWAY. I joined a year ago after a friend of one of my roommates showed me the plan. I have seen the business inside and out. Now I want to make it clear to all those considering joining amway.

Why AMWAY works....

Amway works because every individual who joins, learns the art of social engineering. "Social Engineering" is the term a that a famous computer hacker named CitiZen-0ne coined. Social Engineering is the Art of Influence, Manipulation and lying. In other words it is the Mastery of bullshitting others into thinking or believing any thing they want you to believe.

Every single successful distributor who has "plugged into the system" has learned this art. They KNOW every single question question you are going to ask before you ask it, and they know how to answer it in a Myriad of different ways. They know how to answer your questions and what to tell you, to convince you into believing them. They even sell tapes and other various information through the company so that you can learn all these skills. I challenge you to go talk to someone who is fairly successful in the business. Let them show you the plan and then ask them questions and if your sharp you will catch all the mind games, the well rehearsed answers to common questions and the sneaky escapes they perfectly execute in tight situations. AMWAY is the college of "Social Engineering". They will try to convince you and get you excited. Once they get you excited and convinced you end up joining and becoming a student at the college of AMWAY studying "Social Engineering" and if you master this Major at U. OF AMway you can make a relatively decent salary. IF you get a PhD in Deception, you will get a diamond pin to wear on your colar or lapel. GO DIAMOND, BREAK 7!!!

Events are thrown as often as every week, the purpose of these cult events is to get you HIGH. The speakers at these events are usually high ranking individuals who speak so "Elequently" or even so "Down to Earth". They play on your dreams and hopes of success in the world. They get your blood and heart pumping with all kinds of chants and other audience participation things. They make the business seem so easy. They get people from the audience who have gone to certain levels walk across the stage so you can see how many people actually move up in the business. They tell you all kinds of inspiring statistics so that you get "FIRED UP", "IM FIRED UP, HOW 'BOUT YOU?". They will tell you how many billions of dollars amway did and any other things that have worked in scamming people in to the business. They tell you about there good times in life and there bad times, so that you can relate to them emotionally. Because all of us have been through good and bad times in life, DONT YOU JUST FEEL THE UNITY! (By the way all things in Capital letters are things actually chanted or spoken with religious conviction at these events). All the chanting and inspiration from these "successful" individuals in amway makes you a believer and soon you find these meetings or big events are your only escape from a business smart society where the majority of common people can see through the false illusions of Amway. These meetings or events become addictive, they become your safe haven, the place where you can feel unity with all the other foot soldiers of failure and even success. Soon you become friends with these other individuals and you slowly begin to see amway consume your life. Amway promises freedom, but in truth you get trapped in a business that you might end up peddling for the rest of your life. They Speak of Freedom to do as you want and when you want. Common Catch phrases "They speak of being free and roaming the beaches of the world." Actually you are getting trapped in a business that you will have to peddle forever.

What is Amway?

Amway is a MLM business with Very expensive "QUALITY" products involved.

You see all you have to do is spend 200$ a month on AMway products and then get a whole bunch of other people to do the same thing. These people you find then have to go find other people to do the same thing. Eventually you get a big downline spending lots and lots of money on expensive products. It's THAT EASY!

Reality Check...

Amway claims that when you join, you get to buy all these products at whole sale!!!! This is one of the biggest deceptions in the world. What they do is say the retail price for a bottle of there shampoo is like 5-10$ and then subtract like 10-30% of that and call it wholesale, or the price you but it at. Then you pay all kinds of taxes, shipping fees and other little bullshit little fees that they throw in there. So actually you end up paying there "Retail Price". And there retail price is the same or much much higher than your average quality product from any store. YOU are not getting any of their crap for wholesale, you are getting it for a very expensive bs price! So when you point this out to Amway distributors they say (Social Engineering) well the products are The highest quality and there all concentrated. The truth is only some of there products are concentrated, and Quality is AN OPINION! The truth is that there are thousands of products out there in the world, some are good some are bad, you have to shop around and try which one works for you, remember every human is different and each body works with different things differently. So Quality is an Opinion! Actually some of Amways products are quality but they are very few in number. Xenith says... HIGH PRICES and RARE QUALITY... THATS THE AMWAY REALITY.

A diamond once told me... It takes about a 1000 people in your downline to be about a diamond! Of course theoretically you can have 7 people in your downline all spending 100K a month each on their basic necessities of toilet paper and soap for themselves, but this isnt likely, actually after looking at how expensive and small some of these products are it is quite possible.

Take out your calculators boys and girls...

Amway has 2million people in there business, 1million are active, there are 900 diamonds in all of Amway actually its like 890 or something, but hey whos counting... anyway divide 900 by 1 million... what do you get boys and girls? about a thousand!! WOW that diamond was actually right, and he never even did the math himself. maybe numbers and truth dont LIE after all! I could quote a whole slew of other disappointing stats for you folks, but thats for you to go look up yourselves.

Dont be fooled by these distributors who can skew your way of thinking. look at the probabilities and statistics behind this business, then go look at the expensive and very miniscule products. The products are so small but for some reason very very expensive... Hmmm... check it out folks.. even join if you have to... thats how I became so wise...

Amway saturates because most people will never join and half of the ones who do join become wise like me and either quit or master the art of deception and become successful.

If you master deception you will succeed in amway after years and years of recruiting people.

If you have morals you will probably quit.

So you say O' wise Xenith, why havent you quit? and I say .. cause maybe I might just write a book <EVIL GRIN> and I need to see every nook and cranny of this business before I do.. who knows I might even go diamond.

Interesting article you posted, can you talk more about how the tools for the business are a big part of the amway scam?

thanx ............. dina,

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